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They don't play the Phoenix Wright's games (or the new Apollo Justice)Why ?Many reasons but those Sony, Microsoft and even Nintendo fanboys should stop looking for a great story elsewhere and try Phoenix Wright : Ace Attorney. I think it's really that good !Of course, unfortunetely, you need a Nintendo DS but that shouldn't stop you !So fanboys, what are you gonna do when the finger of Phoenix is pointing on you ?
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courtroom drama doesn't appeal to everyonebut i do think that those that can should at least try one of the games to see if it's their cup of teaif not, there are better examples of great storylines in games IMO:MGS 1 %26 3, Bioshock, the GTA games, Half-Life games (even Portal) Eternal Darkness, KOTOR 1 %26 2, Mass Effect, God of War 1 %26 2, to name a fewthese are more conventional storylines, with a variety of themes that are more likely to appeal to the general gamer IMOthe importance of a good storyline is being emphasised more and more these days, and so more games are focusing a lot more on the narrative side of thingslook at up and coming titles like GTA4, Too Human, MGS4, Alan Wake, RE5 .. storyline is looking like an important part of each from what we've seen so far
[QUOTE=''BK-Sleeper'']I'm going to wag my finger back and say ''YOU FAIL.''[/QUOTE]I'm pointing back and say : YOU NEED TO HATE !
[QUOTE=''akif22'']courtroom drama doesn't appeal to everyonebetter examples of great storylines in games IMO:MGS 1 %26 3, Bioshock, Eternal Darkness, KOTOR 1 %26 2, Mass Effect, God of War 1 %26 2, to name a fewthese are more conventional storylines, with a variety of themes that are more likely to appeal to the general gamer IMO[/QUOTE]Some stories can be pretty confusing for the general gamer (MGS, Killer 7, etc.) but you don't think that it's because of the hardware, Phoenix wright HD and more gameplay options wouldn't be more attractive ?
[QUOTE=''akif22''] courtroom drama doesn't appeal to everyonebetter examples of great storylines in games IMO:MGS 1 %26 3, Bioshock, Eternal Darkness, KOTOR 1 %26 2, Mass Effect, God of War 1 %26 2, to name a fewthese are more conventional storylines, with a variety of themes that are more likely to appeal to the general gamer IMO[/QUOTE] lol you skipped MGS 2. I find that funny.
[QUOTE=''Cute_Red_Panda''][QUOTE=''akif22''] courtroom drama doesn't appeal to everyonebetter examples of great storylines in games IMO:MGS 1 %26 3, Bioshock, Eternal Darkness, KOTOR 1 %26 2, Mass Effect, God of War 1 %26 2, to name a fewthese are more conventional storylines, with a variety of themes that are more likely to appeal to the general gamer IMO[/QUOTE] lol you skipped MGS 2. I find that funny.[/QUOTE]i actually liked MGS2, but compared to the first and third, the story pales in comparison, at least IMO .. a bit too confusing and long-winded at times
[QUOTE=''akif22'']courtroom drama doesn't appeal to everyonebetter examples of great storylines in games IMO:MGS 1 %26 3, Bioshock, Eternal Darkness, KOTOR 1 %26 2, Mass Effect, God of War 1 %26 2, to name a fewthese are more conventional storylines, with a variety of themes that are more likely to appeal to the general gamer IMO[/QUOTE]Meh..the Phoenix Wright series has a better storyline than BioShock and the God of War series. Phoenix Wright has great character development. BioShock and God of War have little to none of that.
[QUOTE=''norfliver_basic''][QUOTE=''akif22'']courtroom drama doesn't appeal to everyonebetter examples of great storylines in games IMO:MGS 1 %26 3, Bioshock, Eternal Darkness, KOTOR 1 %26 2, Mass Effect, God of War 1 %26 2, to name a fewthese are more conventional storylines, with a variety of themes that are more likely to appeal to the general gamer IMO[/QUOTE]Some stories can be pretty confusing for the general gamer (MGS, Killer 7, etc.) but you don't think that it's because of the hardware, Phoenix wright HD and more gameplay options wouldn't be more attractive ?[/QUOTE]maybe it's just the type of gamer i am .. better hardware tends to allow for more cinematics, VA etc that add to the storylines and make them better for mebut we've always had games with good storylines .. MGS1 on the PS1 wasn't limited by the hardware .. the DS should be able to do something similarzelda PH is a good example of good cinematics and audio to add an extra dimension to storytelling
[QUOTE=''majadamus''][QUOTE=''akif22'']courtroom drama doesn't appeal to everyonebetter examples of great storylines in games IMO:MGS 1 %26 3, Bioshock, Eternal Darkness, KOTOR 1 %26 2, Mass Effect, God of War 1 %26 2, to name a fewthese are more conventional storylines, with a variety of themes that are more likely to appeal to the general gamer IMO[/QUOTE]Meh..the Phoenix Wright series has a better storyline than BioShock and the God of War series. Phoenix Wright has great character development. BioShock and God of War have little to none of that.[/QUOTE]You know what ? This is what i think too but ''the general gamer'' doesn't know that !I think they think that its for kids with that anime look and the facts that its on DS (kiddy system)The fanboys must make an effort !
[QUOTE=''akif22''][QUOTE=''norfliver_basic''][QUOTE=''akif22'']courtroom drama doesn't appeal to everyonebetter examples of great storylines in games IMO:MGS 1 %26 3, Bioshock, Eternal Darkness, KOTOR 1 %26 2, Mass Effect, God of War 1 %26 2, to name a fewthese are more conventional storylines, with a variety of themes that are more likely to appeal to the general gamer IMO[/QUOTE]Some stories can be pretty confusing for the general gamer (MGS, Killer 7, etc.) but you don't think that it's because of the hardware, Phoenix wright HD and more gameplay options wouldn't be more attractive ?[/QUOTE]maybe it's just the type of gamer i am .. better hardware tends to allow for more cinematics, VA etc that add to the storylines and make them better for mebut we've always had games with good storylines .. MGS1 on the PS1 wasn't limited by the hardware .. the DS should be able to do something similarzelda PH is a good example of good cinematics and audio to add an extra dimension to storytelling[/QUOTE]Have you played any Phoenix Wright's games ?From the looks of it, it doesn't seem so...
[QUOTE=''majadamus''][QUOTE=''akif22'']courtroom drama doesn't appeal to everyonebetter examples of great storylines in games IMO:MGS 1 %26 3, Bioshock, Eternal Darkness, KOTOR 1 %26 2, Mass Effect, God of War 1 %26 2, to name a fewthese are more conventional storylines, with a variety of themes that are more likely to appeal to the general gamer IMO[/QUOTE]Meh..the Phoenix Wright series has a better storyline than BioShock and the God of War series. Phoenix Wright has great character development. BioShock and God of War have little to none of that.[/QUOTE]i agree about GOW .. most characters didn't have time to be developed because you killed them so soonbut Bioshock?! i thought the characters were developed really well .. what makes this feat more amazing is that 99% of that was down to audio logs and radio comms .. a lot was down to brilliant VA
[QUOTE=''norfliver_basic''][QUOTE=''akif22''][QUOTE=''norfliver_basic''][QUOTE=''akif22'']courtroom drama doesn't appeal to everyonebetter examples of great storylines in games IMO:MGS 1 %26 3, Bioshock, Eternal Darkness, KOTOR 1 %26 2, Mass Effect, God of War 1 %26 2, to name a fewthese are more conventional storylines, with a variety of themes that are more likely to appeal to the general gamer IMO[/QUOTE]Some stories can be pretty confusing for the general gamer (MGS, Killer 7, etc.) but you don't think that it's because of the hardware, Phoenix wright HD and more gameplay options wouldn't be more attractive ?[/QUOTE]maybe it's just the type of gamer i am .. better hardware tends to allow for more cinematics, VA etc that add to the storylines and make them better for mebut we've always had games with good storylines .. MGS1 on the PS1 wasn't limited by the hardware .. the DS should be able to do something similarzelda PH is a good example of good cinematics and audio to add an extra dimension to storytelling[/QUOTE]Have you played any Phoenix Wright's games ?From the looks of it, it doesn't seem so...[/QUOTE]i've only played the first .. i'm trying to get into it but really i'm just progressing at a low and steady pacethe storyline is good, and approached differently .. i just think that it won't appeal to everyone and that there are games with more conventional storytelling that also have better storylines
[QUOTE=''majadamus''][QUOTE=''akif22''] courtroom drama doesn't appeal to everyonebetter examples of great storylines in games IMO:MGS 1 %26 3, Bioshock, Eternal Darkness, KOTOR 1 %26 2, Mass Effect, God of War 1 %26 2, to name a fewthese are more conventional storylines, with a variety of themes that are more likely to appeal to the general gamer IMO[/QUOTE]Meh..the Phoenix Wright series has a better storyline than BioShock and the God of War series. Phoenix Wright has great character development. BioShock and God of War have little to none of that. [/QUOTE] meh, those are different types of stories though. you wouldnt really care for character development in ''clash of the titans'' you just go along for the greek epic ride. Bioshock character development is a little tricky seeing as how there are like 3 characters who all change during the game.
PW felt like a daily murder show to me, but nothing above that level. To be honest when gamers say that games lack a decent story, I think people are talking about the overall direction of the game in general.There are many shows and movies that go against gamings trade and tested formula of winning or losing. If I kill a hoard of people in a video game, should I be proud of my achievment or should I think I'm a mass muderer? Those kind of messages are hardly delt with when it comes to video games, but when they are rarely brought up they are not only brilliant but they are genuinly the hardest choices you'd have to make in a video game.For example at a point in mass effect (I wont say which) you have to choose to save person a or person b. Both charicters have a back story and form an attatchment to you, so either choice is a lose-lose.
[QUOTE=''akif22''][QUOTE=''norfliver_basic''][QUOTE=''akif22''][QUOTE=''norfliver_basic''][QUOTE=''akif22'']courtroom drama doesn't appeal to everyonebetter examples of great storylines in games IMO:MGS 1 %26 3, Bioshock, Eternal Darkness, KOTOR 1 %26 2, Mass Effect, God of War 1 %26 2, to name a fewthese are more conventional storylines, with a variety of themes that are more likely to appeal to the general gamer IMO[/QUOTE]Some stories can be pretty confusing for the general gamer (MGS, Killer 7, etc.) but you don't think that it's because of the hardware, Phoenix wright HD and more gameplay options wouldn't be more attractive ?[/QUOTE]maybe it's just the type of gamer i am .. better hardware tends to allow for more cinematics, VA etc that add to the storylines and make them better for mebut we've always had games with good storylines .. MGS1 on the PS1 wasn't limited by the hardware .. the DS should be able to do something similarzelda PH is a good example of good cinematics and audio to add an extra dimension to storytelling[/QUOTE]Have you played any Phoenix Wright's games ?From the looks of it, it doesn't seem so...[/QUOTE]i've only played the first .. i'm trying to get into it but really i'm just progressing at a low and steady pacethe storyline is good, and approached differently .. i just think that it won't appeal to everyone and that there are games with more conventional storytelling that also have better storylines[/QUOTE]Finish the game and i'll garantee that you'll get pretty surprised. You'll change opinion, that's a bet !
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^ ok .. i'll get back to you in 6 months :Pbtw, watch the quote count .. more than 5 could result in modding!
I think it's because people have different expectations when they are looking for a good story.For some a good story must absolutely feature strong character development, important themes, and a plot that doesn't get in the way of what's really important, but still moves the story along. Also, throw in a dab of irony and subtlety to sweeten the deal.On the other hand, some people just want something that will hold their short attention span (face it, many people now suffer from this). This usually includes lots of action, twists, and a plot that is fast paced enough to keep them from wanting to move on to something else. Now I know I'm generalizing a bit here, but look at the what type of games and movies make the most money: big loud ones. As a producer in the 50's said (can't remember his name atm),''Make them wider not deeper!''So, you have to realize...while the Pheonix Wright games may hold great stories within their game packs...when people complain about wanting better stories, they may not agree with your opinion on what makes a story great.